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	<title>Comments on: Dangerous Ideas: Imagine a College Application without Transcripts, Test Scores, or Extracurriculars</title>
	<link>http://calnewport.com/blog/2008/09/24/dangerous-ideas-imagine-a-college-application-without-transcripts-test-scores-or-extracurriculars/</link>
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		<title>By: Craigslist Job Scam</title>
		<link>http://calnewport.com/blog/2008/09/24/dangerous-ideas-imagine-a-college-application-without-transcripts-test-scores-or-extracurriculars/#comment-12805</link>
		<author>Craigslist Job Scam</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 22:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: No Need for the SAT - Admissions Change - Positive Impact on Education &#124; University Scholar</title>
		<link>http://calnewport.com/blog/2008/09/24/dangerous-ideas-imagine-a-college-application-without-transcripts-test-scores-or-extracurriculars/#comment-6931</link>
		<author>No Need for the SAT - Admissions Change - Positive Impact on Education &#124; University Scholar</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://calnewport.com/blog/2008/09/24/dangerous-ideas-imagine-a-college-application-without-transcripts-test-scores-or-extracurriculars/#comment-6931</guid>
		<description>[...] Newport wrote a post about this topic last week and several readers had excellent [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Study Hacks</title>
		<link>http://calnewport.com/blog/2008/09/24/dangerous-ideas-imagine-a-college-application-without-transcripts-test-scores-or-extracurriculars/#comment-6872</link>
		<author>Study Hacks</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://calnewport.com/blog/2008/09/24/dangerous-ideas-imagine-a-college-application-without-transcripts-test-scores-or-extracurriculars/#comment-6872</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;However, I find the reasoning behind the idea to have an article-based discussion interview to be a bit perplexing. Although it’s true that a student’s reading, thinking, and communicative skills definitely qualify as important criteria for college admissions, I feel as if this might be the most “gameable” part.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I'm not sure that this is as "gameable" as you think. If you've grown up reading, talking with people, pondering interesting thoughts, and having interesting discussions: this will come through. I don't know how much of that can be learned at the last minute...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>However, I find the reasoning behind the idea to have an article-based discussion interview to be a bit perplexing. Although it’s true that a student’s reading, thinking, and communicative skills definitely qualify as important criteria for college admissions, I feel as if this might be the most “gameable” part.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure that this is as &#8220;gameable&#8221; as you think. If you&#8217;ve grown up reading, talking with people, pondering interesting thoughts, and having interesting discussions: this will come through. I don&#8217;t know how much of that can be learned at the last minute&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: cerrad</title>
		<link>http://calnewport.com/blog/2008/09/24/dangerous-ideas-imagine-a-college-application-without-transcripts-test-scores-or-extracurriculars/#comment-6861</link>
		<author>cerrad</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 02:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://calnewport.com/blog/2008/09/24/dangerous-ideas-imagine-a-college-application-without-transcripts-test-scores-or-extracurriculars/#comment-6861</guid>
		<description>I agree with other comments, in that this would just push students to focus on how to "ace" the interview, impress teachers, and write great essays about what they want to do in college.  I can just see it now, prep programs for getting a great score on your interview!  What real admissions counselors say they're looking for!

I think you overestimate high school students.  Right now, I'm a grad student, and I read these suggestions and think, oh, well, I could handle that.  And then I remember when I was a junior in high school, looking at colleges.  I always knew that I would go to college, but I didn't know where.  I ended up going to a Big Ten school for my undergrad, a university of 40,000+ students.  I certainly wasn't planning for my particular university.  I didn't even know what my major was going to be until the end of my sophomore year.  And I ended up graduating with a 3.75 GPA.  Eagerness to go to a university doesn't equal success in said university.  If you expect kids to know what they're going to do in college and *how* they plan to do it, you either have to really lower your standards for your new assessments, or you're going to end up with a very specific population: upper/middle class students who have been pushed to plan for college since junior high, and who may in fact be social outcasts at their high school, because since when do high school kids not spend the majority of their time on high school related matters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with other comments, in that this would just push students to focus on how to &#8220;ace&#8221; the interview, impress teachers, and write great essays about what they want to do in college.  I can just see it now, prep programs for getting a great score on your interview!  What real admissions counselors say they&#8217;re looking for!</p>
<p>I think you overestimate high school students.  Right now, I&#8217;m a grad student, and I read these suggestions and think, oh, well, I could handle that.  And then I remember when I was a junior in high school, looking at colleges.  I always knew that I would go to college, but I didn&#8217;t know where.  I ended up going to a Big Ten school for my undergrad, a university of 40,000+ students.  I certainly wasn&#8217;t planning for my particular university.  I didn&#8217;t even know what my major was going to be until the end of my sophomore year.  And I ended up graduating with a 3.75 GPA.  Eagerness to go to a university doesn&#8217;t equal success in said university.  If you expect kids to know what they&#8217;re going to do in college and *how* they plan to do it, you either have to really lower your standards for your new assessments, or you&#8217;re going to end up with a very specific population: upper/middle class students who have been pushed to plan for college since junior high, and who may in fact be social outcasts at their high school, because since when do high school kids not spend the majority of their time on high school related matters.</p>
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		<title>By: PseudoStudent</title>
		<link>http://calnewport.com/blog/2008/09/24/dangerous-ideas-imagine-a-college-application-without-transcripts-test-scores-or-extracurriculars/#comment-6855</link>
		<author>PseudoStudent</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 22:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like this post. I think it would be a good idea that students write out what they expect to get from college and what they plan on doing once they attend. It would probably be a good exercise in and of itself as prospective college students can actually take a moment to ponder why exactly it is that they want to go to school for an additional 4 years.

However, I find the reasoning behind the idea to have an article-based discussion interview to be a bit perplexing. Although it's true that a student's reading, thinking, and communicative skills definitely qualify as important criteria for college admissions, I feel as if this might be the most "gameable" part. Whose to say that a student cannot just simply practice reading articles of similar content or length to prepare for an interview about it? I'm not sure how effective this requirement is in excluding from admissions those hard-working "grind" students who may just simply focus on acquiring this sort of article-reading/interviewing skill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like this post. I think it would be a good idea that students write out what they expect to get from college and what they plan on doing once they attend. It would probably be a good exercise in and of itself as prospective college students can actually take a moment to ponder why exactly it is that they want to go to school for an additional 4 years.</p>
<p>However, I find the reasoning behind the idea to have an article-based discussion interview to be a bit perplexing. Although it&#8217;s true that a student&#8217;s reading, thinking, and communicative skills definitely qualify as important criteria for college admissions, I feel as if this might be the most &#8220;gameable&#8221; part. Whose to say that a student cannot just simply practice reading articles of similar content or length to prepare for an interview about it? I&#8217;m not sure how effective this requirement is in excluding from admissions those hard-working &#8220;grind&#8221; students who may just simply focus on acquiring this sort of article-reading/interviewing skill.</p>
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		<title>By: Study Hacks</title>
		<link>http://calnewport.com/blog/2008/09/24/dangerous-ideas-imagine-a-college-application-without-transcripts-test-scores-or-extracurriculars/#comment-6854</link>
		<author>Study Hacks</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://calnewport.com/blog/2008/09/24/dangerous-ideas-imagine-a-college-application-without-transcripts-test-scores-or-extracurriculars/#comment-6854</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I know plenty of engineer and comp sci majors who have problems with interpersonal skills.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Fair enough. I guess this would work better for a school that predominantly focused on liberal arts majors...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I know plenty of engineer and comp sci majors who have problems with interpersonal skills.</p></blockquote>
<p>Fair enough. I guess this would work better for a school that predominantly focused on liberal arts majors&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Study Hacks</title>
		<link>http://calnewport.com/blog/2008/09/24/dangerous-ideas-imagine-a-college-application-without-transcripts-test-scores-or-extracurriculars/#comment-6853</link>
		<author>Study Hacks</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://calnewport.com/blog/2008/09/24/dangerous-ideas-imagine-a-college-application-without-transcripts-test-scores-or-extracurriculars/#comment-6853</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But aren’t we supposed to go to university to learn?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I was hoping that the "course reports" would suss out students ability and interest in learning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But aren’t we supposed to go to university to learn?</p></blockquote>
<p>I was hoping that the &#8220;course reports&#8221; would suss out students ability and interest in learning.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://calnewport.com/blog/2008/09/24/dangerous-ideas-imagine-a-college-application-without-transcripts-test-scores-or-extracurriculars/#comment-6851</link>
		<author>Chris</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds good, but the emphasis on interview would be rough.  I would have to disagree with that emphasis.  Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the post.  

I know plenty of engineer and comp sci majors who have problems with interpersonal skills.  Many talented people are not able to present themselves well in an interview for whatever reason (shy, introverted, rough day, etc).  Personally for me, I had to work on these essential communication skills.  But in all honesty I think every system will have its bugs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds good, but the emphasis on interview would be rough.  I would have to disagree with that emphasis.  Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I enjoyed the post.  </p>
<p>I know plenty of engineer and comp sci majors who have problems with interpersonal skills.  Many talented people are not able to present themselves well in an interview for whatever reason (shy, introverted, rough day, etc).  Personally for me, I had to work on these essential communication skills.  But in all honesty I think every system will have its bugs.</p>
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		<title>By: Frances</title>
		<link>http://calnewport.com/blog/2008/09/24/dangerous-ideas-imagine-a-college-application-without-transcripts-test-scores-or-extracurriculars/#comment-6850</link>
		<author>Frances</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But aren't we supposed to go to university to learn?
One of the most rewarding aspects for me personally has been getting my act together, along with my think being trained and molded by my discipline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But aren&#8217;t we supposed to go to university to learn?<br />
One of the most rewarding aspects for me personally has been getting my act together, along with my think being trained and molded by my discipline.</p>
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		<link>http://calnewport.com/blog/2008/09/24/dangerous-ideas-imagine-a-college-application-without-transcripts-test-scores-or-extracurriculars/#comment-6849</link>
		<author>9.24.08 Featured blogs of the day &#171; Student Bloggers</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 04:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] talk of ditching the SATs, Cal reinvisions the admissions process sans BS. [Study [...]</description>
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