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	<title>Comments on: Q &amp; A: Life After Scoring an 80% and Joining Boring Clubs to Impress Grad Schools</title>
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		<title>By: Molly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Molly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There aren&#039;t any classes at my school that are graded on a curve. A couple of my teachers use a 94-100 = A, 86-93 = B, etc. grading scale but most of the time they use a normal grading scale with no curve. Like you said, read the syllabus. It&#039;ll explain exactly how the grading works. Most schools require teachers to give their students them now anyway.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There aren&#8217;t any classes at my school that are graded on a curve. A couple of my teachers use a 94-100 = A, 86-93 = B, etc. grading scale but most of the time they use a normal grading scale with no curve. Like you said, read the syllabus. It&#8217;ll explain exactly how the grading works. Most schools require teachers to give their students them now anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Study Hacks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Study Hacks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I had an interesting experience in my freshman seminar, too. Everyone in the class had likely gotten mostly As throughout high school, and they had all placed out of the writing 5 requirement, meaning they had scored 760 or higher on the Reading portion of the SAT. On our first paper, out of 16 students, one got an A-, another an A-/B+, and the rest were in the B range. Suffice to say, people, myself included, were surprised.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Right, this is exactly what happened to me. I placed out of Writing 5 at Dartmouth because I had a really high verbal SAT score (and AP literature scores). My first paper for that class -- evocatively titled &quot;Silicon Valley&quot; -- scored a nice big &#039;C&#039;.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I had an interesting experience in my freshman seminar, too. Everyone in the class had likely gotten mostly As throughout high school, and they had all placed out of the writing 5 requirement, meaning they had scored 760 or higher on the Reading portion of the SAT. On our first paper, out of 16 students, one got an A-, another an A-/B+, and the rest were in the B range. Suffice to say, people, myself included, were surprised.</p>
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<p>Right, this is exactly what happened to me. I placed out of Writing 5 at Dartmouth because I had a really high verbal SAT score (and AP literature scores). My first paper for that class &#8212; evocatively titled &#8220;Silicon Valley&#8221; &#8212; scored a nice big &#8216;C&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 04:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for posting this incredibly helpful post. It&#039;ll be easier to refer people to it in the future.

I had an interesting experience in my freshman seminar, too. Everyone in the class had likely gotten mostly As throughout high school, and they had all placed out of the writing 5 requirement, meaning they had scored 760 or higher on the Reading portion of the SAT. On our first paper, out of 16 students, one got an A-, another an A-/B+, and the rest were in the B range. Suffice to say, people, myself included, were surprised.

[Note: The SAT detail is just to give context to the surprise, I don&#039;t think the SATs are effective indicators of anything important or that students with lower scores on the Reading section would be less surprised.]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting this incredibly helpful post. It&#8217;ll be easier to refer people to it in the future.</p>
<p>I had an interesting experience in my freshman seminar, too. Everyone in the class had likely gotten mostly As throughout high school, and they had all placed out of the writing 5 requirement, meaning they had scored 760 or higher on the Reading portion of the SAT. On our first paper, out of 16 students, one got an A-, another an A-/B+, and the rest were in the B range. Suffice to say, people, myself included, were surprised.</p>
<p>[Note: The SAT detail is just to give context to the surprise, I don't think the SATs are effective indicators of anything important or that students with lower scores on the Reading section would be less surprised.]</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 21:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Happy Homecoming!

(During my second semester(?!)lol)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy Homecoming!</p>
<p>(During my second semester(?!)lol)</p>
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		<title>By: gwinne</title>
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		<dc:creator>gwinne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 23:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I strongly disagree here.  I&#039;m a college prof.  An 80% in my class is an 80%.  There&#039;s no curve.  That goes for everyone in my department, as far as I know.  That said, an 80% on an assignment worth 10% of the final course grade isn&#039;t going to matter so much, whereas an 80% on an assignment woth 50% of the final course grade matters a whole lot...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I strongly disagree here.  I&#8217;m a college prof.  An 80% in my class is an 80%.  There&#8217;s no curve.  That goes for everyone in my department, as far as I know.  That said, an 80% on an assignment worth 10% of the final course grade isn&#8217;t going to matter so much, whereas an 80% on an assignment woth 50% of the final course grade matters a whole lot&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 19:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry...I meant to say that coming out of high school, I probably would have thought the same thing if I cared as much as this student did as a freshman.  Also, hopefully this student realizes that in most classes, it is quite possible to rebound from this grade and still get an A.  More importantly, I hope this student doesn&#039;t make the same mistakes that many of us made as freshman and concentrate on his passions/interests and that grades often do follow from doing this.  The further I go in college, the more I&#039;m realizing this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry&#8230;I meant to say that coming out of high school, I probably would have thought the same thing if I cared as much as this student did as a freshman.  Also, hopefully this student realizes that in most classes, it is quite possible to rebound from this grade and still get an A.  More importantly, I hope this student doesn&#8217;t make the same mistakes that many of us made as freshman and concentrate on his passions/interests and that grades often do follow from doing this.  The further I go in college, the more I&#8217;m realizing this.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 19:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find it hard to believe that this student considers 80% bad.  But than again, coming out of high school, He/she  considered 

&lt;blockquote&gt;For example, I know a certain professor at my university who gave, in one class, one B, five C’s, and the rest F’s. The B student had taken the class before
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I strongly object to this.  This does happen, but anyone who does this is writing his ticket out of academia EVEN if he is an emeritus/tenured (not all professors are fully tenured).  You have to report grade distributions in nearly ALL cases and they can&#039;t be suspiciously off in any way (i.e. 10% students get A&#039;s in a class that normally has 20%).  It indicates in most cases that in comparison with other people, you&#039;re a bad teacher.  I have NEVER been in a class where NOBODY got an A.

In fact, here&#039;s a case where somebody lost their job for too many F&#039;s: http://hamptonroads.com/2008/05/nsu-professor-loses-job-dispute-over-grades?page=2

&lt;blockquote&gt;I think maybe the real lesson here is the importance of verifying how the grades work so you won’t stress out when no stress is necessary.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Exactly.  A syllabus is like a contract.  Not having a syllabus or not specifying how grades are given out in many cases should warrant not taking the class.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it hard to believe that this student considers 80% bad.  But than again, coming out of high school, He/she  considered </p>
<blockquote><p>For example, I know a certain professor at my university who gave, in one class, one B, five C’s, and the rest F’s. The B student had taken the class before
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<p>I strongly object to this.  This does happen, but anyone who does this is writing his ticket out of academia EVEN if he is an emeritus/tenured (not all professors are fully tenured).  You have to report grade distributions in nearly ALL cases and they can&#8217;t be suspiciously off in any way (i.e. 10% students get A&#8217;s in a class that normally has 20%).  It indicates in most cases that in comparison with other people, you&#8217;re a bad teacher.  I have NEVER been in a class where NOBODY got an A.</p>
<p>In fact, here&#8217;s a case where somebody lost their job for too many F&#8217;s: <a href="http://hamptonroads.com/2008/05/nsu-professor-loses-job-dispute-over-grades?page=2" rel="nofollow">http://hamptonroads.com/2008/05/nsu-professor-loses-job-dispute-over-grades?page=2</a></p>
<blockquote><p>I think maybe the real lesson here is the importance of verifying how the grades work so you won’t stress out when no stress is necessary.</p></blockquote>
<p>Exactly.  A syllabus is like a contract.  Not having a syllabus or not specifying how grades are given out in many cases should warrant not taking the class.</p>
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		<title>By: Study Hacks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Study Hacks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 18:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Would you say that “extracurriculars are meaningless” goes for master’s degree programs as well? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I would guess that grades in your major, research experience, and, when relevant, test scores would still dominate.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
For example, I know a certain professor at my university who gave, in one class, one B, five C’s, and the rest F’s. The B student had taken the class before&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is rare. But I&#039;m glad you brought it up. I think maybe the real lesson here is the importance of &lt;em&gt;verifying&lt;/em&gt; how the grades work so you won&#039;t stress out when no stress is necessary.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Would you say that “extracurriculars are meaningless” goes for master’s degree programs as well? </p></blockquote>
<p>I would guess that grades in your major, research experience, and, when relevant, test scores would still dominate.</p>
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For example, I know a certain professor at my university who gave, in one class, one B, five C’s, and the rest F’s. The B student had taken the class before</p></blockquote>
<p>This is rare. But I&#8217;m glad you brought it up. I think maybe the real lesson here is the importance of <em>verifying</em> how the grades work so you won&#8217;t stress out when no stress is necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bonnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 17:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You say that numerical grades have nothing to do with the letter grade at the end of the semester and that instead your letter grade is relative to the rest of the class. That may have been true at your school, but that&#039;s not the way it is everywhere.

For example, I know a certain professor at my university who gave, in one class, one B, five C&#039;s, and the rest F&#039;s. The B student had taken the class before. It depends on the school&#039;s policy and on the professor&#039;s policy. Here&#039;s the advice you need to be giving: read your syllabus. It&#039;s the only way to know the grading policy for sure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You say that numerical grades have nothing to do with the letter grade at the end of the semester and that instead your letter grade is relative to the rest of the class. That may have been true at your school, but that&#8217;s not the way it is everywhere.</p>
<p>For example, I know a certain professor at my university who gave, in one class, one B, five C&#8217;s, and the rest F&#8217;s. The B student had taken the class before. It depends on the school&#8217;s policy and on the professor&#8217;s policy. Here&#8217;s the advice you need to be giving: read your syllabus. It&#8217;s the only way to know the grading policy for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Jess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Would you say that &quot;extracurriculars are meaningless&quot; goes for master&#039;s degree programs as well? Just curious. I know for PhD programs, it&#039;s really just research that matters.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would you say that &#8220;extracurriculars are meaningless&#8221; goes for master&#8217;s degree programs as well? Just curious. I know for PhD programs, it&#8217;s really just research that matters.</p>
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